6. Many of the women in Primates of Park Avenue are described as hyper-dedicated, particularly when it comes to their bodies. Describing a workout class in the Hamptons, Wednesday Martin writes that these women, herself included, put themselves through hell “to bond with their fellow tribe members, but also to measure up to, and to take the measure of, others, day by day, evening by evening, event by event, class by class”. Does their physical appearance symbolize something intrinsic? Something about their worth? What is the connection between the body and the person, in the case of an Upper East Side mommy?
7. What surprised you the most about Wednesday’s memoir? Which aspect of these women’s lives feels most foreign to you and your life? Which aspects feel more familiar?
8. How does the loss of Wednesday’s unborn daughter, Daphne, change the course of the story? Do you think losing a baby changes her perspective on life—particularly life on the Upper East Side?
9. Compare and contrast Wednesday Martin with her new circle. How are they similar? How do they differ? According to what you’ve read, does Wednesday retain her subjective view of this “tribe,” or does she become too similar to be subjective?
10. “From an anthropological perspective, these wealthy women who seem and are so fortunate are also marooned in their sex-segregated world” writes Wednesday Martin about the marriages she sees all around her in New York City. She describes these so-called arrangements as “fragile and contingent and women are still dependent . . . on their men”. Does sex segregation and complete dependence on one’s partner seem strange in the twenty-first century, or do these marriages seem relatively standard? Do you agree with Wednesday that these women are perhaps in a less enviable position than one might assume? Why or why not?
11. Consider the ways in which anxiety is described in Primates of Park Avenue. Do you agree that “having too many choices is stressful”, or that a luxurious lifestyle ultimately leads to more—not less—unhappiness?
12. Discuss the title of the memoir: Primates of Park Avenue. Do you agree, as the title suggests, that these women who live a certain kind of lifestyle on the Upper East Side are really no different than any other women anywhere? Are we all just animals, doing what we can to survive and create the safest, most favorable conditions we can for our families?
13. Primates of Park Avenue is ultimately a testament to the strength of all women to endure the pain that so often accompanies motherhood. In her grief, Wednesday discovers another side of the beautiful, competitive women around her: love. In her time of need, these women came forward and offered emotional support and understanding, bolstering the bond between women of the same tribe who know “just how closely the territories of mothering and loss overlap”. Discus this “secret,” as Wednesday coined it, with your group members. Why do you think motherhood, in particular, feels so deeply connected to loss?
Enhance Your Book Club
1. In her quest to understand the women with whom she now shares a zip code and way of life, Wednesday Martin plunges into a thoughtful, observant study of Upper East Side mommies, the kind of woman she is fast becoming. In addition to firsthand observation, Wednesday uses her academic background to make sense of the rituals, beliefs, and desires of the classic Upper East Side woman. One source she turns to is literature; on this page, she finds these women and their desires to be similar to the character Lily Bart and her wishes in Edith Wharton’s classic The House of Mirth. Have a movie night with your group to watch the film adaptation of The House of Mirth (2000). After the movie, discuss how Wednesday and her new crew resemble the character of Lily Bart. Do these women covet luxury items because they want “to be a wanted thing” too?
2. Many of the activities in Primates of Park Avenue are attended by women only, as the Upper East Side is, according to Wednesday Martin, a very sex-segregated society. In light of this, host a Girls’ Night inspired by the one Wednesday attends at her friend Rebecca’s apartment. Over dinner and drinks, discuss how your party compares with Rebecca’s. Do outfits, accessories, or conversation topics seem drastically different? Do you feel a kinship with the women in the memoir, or do you feel like a member of a totally different species?
3. In chapter 6, Wednesday contemplates the complexity of the relationships between mothers and nannies on the Upper East Side—relationships that can be very familiar for some and terribly foreign for others. In Primates of Park Avenue, Wednesday focuses only on the point of view of the mothers, the side of the relationship with which she is most familiar. For the nanny point of view, read The Nanny Diaries with your book club. Do the two books overlap in their consideration of this complicated relationship between mommies and nannies? Ultimately, do you agree with Wednesday that the nanny wields more power than the mom? Why or why not?
A Conversation with Wednesday Martin
1. Primates of Park Avenue is your second book. Discuss how this project compares with Stepmonster. Was one more difficult or challenging to write than the other? Did you have to be more vulnerable in telling one story over the other, or did both require a certain kind of vulnerability?
Primates of Park Avenue and Stepmonster were both very research-intensive blendings of memoir and social science. The difference is that Primates came to me very visually. I “saw” the story, not only as I had experienced it, but as I wanted to tell it. I hope readers can visualize the story and characters as well!
2. On page 52 you write that on the Upper East Side, “child’s play was apparently a deadly serious business.” Child’s play—like exercise or finding the perfect apartment, the perfect summer home, or the perfect handbag—seems to have heavy stakes attached for Upper East Side women. What strikes you as the most outrageous ritual you observed in this society?
The hiring of black-market Disney guides with access to disability passes so as to bypass lines really did take me by surprise. It said a lot about the pattern of “insider trading” at the heart of many tribal behaviors—I will give you this guide’s number, and it establishes that we are one, we are people who do this. And it speaks to the tribe’s impatience with doing things the way that “everybody else” has to.
3. Why did you decide to tell this story from a female-only point of view? What is it about motherhood in particular that seems so distinct in this community?
I really had to do it that way. The sex segregation of the tribe I studied is remarkably pronounced. I didn’t have access to the world of men. Men and women have very separate spheres in this tribe, and mixing is frowned upon for all kinds of reasons.
4. In your introduction, you summarize this memoir as “a consideration of one narrow sliver of motherhood on one tiny island, and a meditation on what it might mean for everyone else”. Will you answer your own question for us—what does this sliver of motherhood mean for us? Do you agree that ultimately your book is about the connection between women who are mothers, no matter where they live?
I think of the book as one contribution to the literature of motherhood. The themes that preoccupied me on my “quest” are pretty universal: the desire to be a good mother, to fit in, and to find and enjoy the perks of social support. It’s the quest of every primate, actually. The cultural script of “intensive motherhood”—the belief that you should give every ounce of your energy and every minute of your time to enrich your kids’ lives in every measure—intensifies with income. The richer you are, the more you’re expected to do it. But the expectation that mothers are solely responsible for their children’s well-being and that they do it on their own prevails in most industrialized settings. And it’s really hard on kids and others alike.
5. You’ve been compared to an urban Dian Fossey and the anthropologist Jane Goodall. Who are some of your female heroes, women you look up to and perhaps channel as you write?
I grew up really admiring Jane Goodall, Margaret Mead, and Gloria Steinem, and I still do. I am a huge fan of the writing of evolutionary biologist and primatologist Sarah Blaffer Hrdy. If I met her, I woul
d be utterly starstruck! In very real ways, all of these women remade the world, or established entirely new ways of thinking about it.
6. Do you agree that loss is a major theme in Primates of Park Avenue ? When you write, do you consciously choose themes, or do they arise organically from the writing?
The themes of Primates of Park Avenue—competition, anxiety, female aggression, social support, loss—presented themselves to me as I studied the women around me and mothered alongside them and had coffee with them. And yes, I do think that mothers everywhere, whether they are band foragers or mommies in Scarsdale or Madison or Cleveland, are processing the idea of loss, or of potentially losing a child, much of the time. Sadly, child loss has always been a big part of our experience as a species, and has been woven into human evolution.
7. Along similar lines, you write on page 198 that part of the “script” for privileged motherhood is the belief that children will follow a certain path: go to school and college, marry, and ,eventually, “bury us.” Why do you suppose that it is these privileged mothers who hold on so strongly to this belief in a set pattern for a life?
It’s what parents everywhere hope for, isn’t it? The tribe I studied is economically privileged in relative and absolute terms, and their rate of infant mortality is lower than those in many places in the world where resources and good prenatal care and medicine are not as accessible. They have come to expect that their children will outlive them. However, that does not shelter them from the realities of loss. Worldwide, being a fetus or a baby is risky, relative to other life stages.
8. You share so much with readers that is personal; these things must have been painful memories for you to revisit. What was the most difficult part of writing Primates of Park Avenue ? Did the act of writing work as a kind of catharsis for you?
Writing the chapter about the loss of my daughter, Daphne, was very sad, but also very helpful for me. It helped me understand and connect with other women who have experienced such losses. It was also surprisingly cathartic to write about the experience of being a playdate pariah. So many women had experienced it and wanted to talk to me about it. That was inspiring.
9. It seems your quest to obtain a Birkin bag was all-consuming and intense, and you spend an entire chapter describing for us the ins and outs of owning such a coveted item. What does the Birkin bag symbolize for you? Does it carry the same import now that you own it?
I wrote that part of the appeal of a Birkin bag is the “get” itself. Once the thrill of the hunt is done, you are left with a status object made of leather. I learned the hard way that such quests can backfire spectacularly: in my enthusiasm to get a Birkin in order to “play ball” with the other moms, I neglected to consider that it might actually injure me! Two different doctors told me that the bag was the likely cause of the neurological pain that made it hard for me to write!
10. What news can you share with us about upcoming projects? Do you have plans for a new memoir?
I am now part of the tribe of fiction writers. They are very different from writers of nonfiction (well, at least that’s what writers of nonfiction say). I love inventing a world and plots and characters entirely. It’s very freeing, but I do feel a little crazy when I speak to my husband about what the characters are doing or how they feel or what they think. I mean, c’mon, they’re characters. But I hope readers will enjoy the novel I’m working on. All the sex that the tribe of women I studied are not having, the main character of my novel is!
© 2015 BY ELENA SEIBERT
WEDNESDAY MARTIN, PhD, has worked as a writer and social researcher in New York City for more than two decades. The author of Stepmonster and Primates of Park Avenue, she has appeared on Today, CNN, NPR, NBC News, the BBC Newshour, and Fox News as an expert on stepparenting and parenting issues. She writes for the online edition of Psychology Today, and her work has appeared in the New York Times. She was a regular contributor to the New York Post’s parenting and lifestyle pages for several years and has written for the Daily Telegraph. Wednesday received her PhD from Yale University and lives in New York City with her husband and their two sons.
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