by Nancy Lieder
Is the Theosophist message true, to be taken literally? As with all writings, the reader's slant can be inserted. Where
the Council of Worlds corrected the environment on Earth here and there, so that the 3rd Density condition could
proceed as intended, a racist slant can be interjected by the reader. Where alien groups, also in 3rd Density, such as the
visitors from the 12th Planet, were unduly influencing the Earth, they were not infrequently removed in concert with
one of the periodic cataclysms. Land masses go under the waves, and rise up from the depths during each cataclysm.
Where a group of humans formerly under the influence of the inhabitants of the 12th Planet went under the waves, the
legend of Atlantis was born.
The Theosophists, speaking to humans in a language they could understand, inculcated their legends. One uses what is
at hand, when trying to communicate and bridge vast communication gaps. The early Theosophists should be read not
literally, but as though reading poetry, mythology, thus letting the underlying meaning soak in. This, in its totality, will
convey the message intended by the Theosophists, who were telling true history, and relaying the true plans in place
for the Earth.
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ZetaTalk: Seth
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ZetaTalk: Seth
Note: written on May 15, 1996
The channeled material from an entity known as Seth is in the main valid, but here and there the channel was
imperfect. Where the entity relayed that time was but a factor, and could be adjusted so that travel into the past or
future is possible, the channel misconstrued. In explaining how time travel for and aft could place one in three places
at once, the entity Seth so entranced its channel with this concept of a possible parallel existence that the rarity of such
a situation got lost. If an entity lived a thousand incarnated lifetimes, the average percentage of time in parallel time
threads would be but a thousands of a second - insignificant. However, we highly recommend the Seth channeled
material, if properly read for the overall impression as all channeled work should be.
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ZetaTalk: Urantia Book
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ZetaTalk: Urantia Book
Note: written on Aug 15, 1995
The Urantia Book is fiction, but like many books that are not based on fact, the message should not be negated or
discarded. Fiction is, more often than not, the tool used to relay a message. Children learn extensively about
relationships, the rewards and risks of adventure, the ultimate rewards of kindness, the ultimate outcome of selfishness
- all through fiction. Personal lives seldom have the scope of lives in fiction. Time passes from beginning to end
during the reader or listeners rapt attention span, allowing the lesson to be understood and not scattered by distraction.
Fiction is thus often times a better story than the truth. Often a story can be relayed or accepted better if the listener is
not sure of the outcome. Fiction can be woven in a way where more information is relayed than a simple fact based
story can tell. Those who wrote the Urantia Book knew this and their important message should not be dismissed due
to the shape of the package.
Take, for instance, the lessons relayed in the fictional series Star Wars. Does not Yoda, grumpy and disheveled and
living in humble quarters, not exemplify many characteristics of a Service-to-Other individual? He has quirks, is
reluctant, and people can relate. He also has a key role in a crucial battle between Good and Evil, and ultimately has
this satisfaction. So it is often, in the Service-to-Other orientation. How could real life have stated this more
effectively? The essential battle that takes place in 3rd Density entities, which is their orientation decision to either
work with others and be empathetic or to go for the self, is very well relayed. The Urantia Book is such a story, very
expertly woven and influenced without a doubt by many entities who wished to see this story told. Read it and
appreciate it, and do not consider it a fabrication but rather an artistic description of the facts.
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ZetaTalk: Akashic Record
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ZetaTalk: Akashic Record
Note: written on Sep 15, 1995
The Akashic Records and the book, Keepers of the Garden, are fiction, incorporating bits of this and that such as
various messages contactees have relayed, science fiction staples, human hopes, and themes from the Bible. All very
entertaining but without any basis in fact whatsoever. Phil, the main character, does not exist, nor does the Council of
Worlds channel through humans as implied in this book, nor is the Council composed of 12 or even any set number,
nor are the Zetas developing a hybrid race to populate a planet other than Earth. Fiction. All of it.
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ZetaTalk: Clare Prophet
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ZetaTalk: Clare Prophet
Note: written on Jun 15, 1996. Planet X and the 12th Planet are one and the same.
Among the marks left by the giant hominoids from the 12th Planet are myths of their genetic heritage. They used
human females as sex slaves freely, wherever they resided on Earth, and of course at times spawned offspring. Unless
the woman had broad hips, she was highly likely to die in childbirth or during pregnancy. The visitors from the 12th
Planet knew this, and almost routinely gave their sex slaves an abortive medicine to prevent those messy deaths.
However, at times a sex slave escaped or a casual encounter resulted in a pregnancy, and a living child resulted. All
genetics tend to blend, so this resulted only in somewhat larger humans, a trait which has lost its meaning as all human
races have increased in stature over time due to selective breeding. Elizabeth Clare Prophet thought the Jews a select
race bearing more of these genetics than others, a claim based not on fact but on her respect for the accomplishments
of the Jews.
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ZetaTalk: Baird Spalding
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ZetaTalk: Baird Spalding
Note: written on Mar 15, 2002
Baird Spalding like many strongly in the Service-to-Other orientation has developed a reputation. This is not so much
due to acts or predictions, but the simple impact that a strongly Service-to-Other lifestyle and entity can have. Like
Jesus, who left all who heard him speak or watched him in action impressed deeply, Spalding speaks not so much
through words as by actions, the true test of orientation. Spalding like many who wished a message to remain with
those who heard it took liberties. The Star Wars series is fiction, but speaks greatly to the true interaction between
Service-to-Self and Service-to-Other, and the contests mankind finds himself in almost daily. The Urantia Book
likewise is fiction, but beloved by many for the picture it paints. Fiction, or pseudo-fiction, often has an impact greater
than the truth,
and is not considered a sin in higher realms if the mission is accomplished.
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ZetaTalk: Sylvia Browne
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ZetaTalk: Sylvia Browne
Note: written during the Dec 21, 2002 Live ZetaTalk IRC Session.
After for many years denying such a possibility, this week celebrity psychic Sylvia Browne announced on
the Art Bell show that she now sees a worldwide natural cataclysm in the future, and the disappearance of
mankind within 5 years.
Pole Shift Discussion Group
We have mentioned that many aliens channeling, to valid channels, are reluctant to announce the coming cataclysms.
We have explained that this is due to:
1. not wanting to be the bearer of bad tidings,
2. not having a human willing to be the bearer of bad tidings.
Those alien groups pulling back from a full truthful account of what mankind will experience have several reasons for
doing this. First, as with any relaying of discomfiting news, the news bearer is also discomfited. So, the news bearer
would prefer not to experience this discomfit, call it cowardice or pandering to the self or a weakness. Second, there
are those who feel that the news would be delivered to many who could not do anything with the news, could not
move, prepare, and the agony would only be thus prolonged. This is akin to a doctor not telling a patient that they are
dying until the dying day. In this case also, the doctor, the news bearer, is excusing themselves from discomfiting
demands by the patient of family. Can the patient not be cured in some way, has the doctor done all he can, etc. In like
manner, aliens presenting a pole shift scenario are asked, via their channels, endlessly, if all of mankind cannot be
saved, lifted, the shift avoided, etc. Those aliens groups presenting a rosy, or glossed over view, will explain the facts
to those who they deem will be able to take it well, or deem could benefit from such facts.
Both factors, the channel and the human, are at play, so that one must have:
1. an alien information source willing to tell the horrid truth,
2. a human willing to be the bearer of this.
To date, none but Nancy has filled these shoes, but times are changing for several reasons. Where information sources
have alluded to coming changes, they focus on the aftertime as being a better time, not the steps that will occur to get
there. Earth changes are described in light text, heavy on the emphasis of glowing times afterwards: peace,
cooperation, the return of Christ, or whatever. If the cataclysms are at all described, they are put into short phrases,
such as "much death", without details. To state which areas of the world will experience tidal waves, which will
quickly drown, which will freeze, which will choke on ash, and the like is too graphic. Readers of light text can
imagine that others will experience something, but not themselves. This leaves the shift and its effect as theoretical, abstract. What has occurred that some sources are now leaning in the direction of addressing the coming times? In
truth, for every source that moves closer to telling the truth, there are others who back away!
The earth changes are pressing in on all consciousness, undeniable, and thus the comfort of denial is increasingly hard
to achieve. Those attuned to other voices have a choice, to shut it all out or listen, and if they chose to stay in contact will have to admit that something is around the corner. Like Scallion, who deals with this pain in this regard and taps
in, or like Cayce, who likewise reported the unpleasant, some will be true channels for the truth. But likewise, some
otherwise true channels will be increasingly flaky, vague, ethereal, and deny any rough times in the near future.
Consider, when listening to these many voices, that a human is relaying this information, and place this in the context
of what you know human behavior to be. How many of your fellows can take really bad news without trying first to
deny it? Consider second that alien groups relaying information to humans may likewise prefer to save the really bad
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ZetaTalk: Sylvia Browne
news until the last minute. We ask only that those looking for the truth consider the ZetaTalk accuracy track record,
which is impressive to the point of standing alone in information received from a source outside of the human vehicle
relaying it. There is no other channel or source with this track record.
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ZetaTalk: Ramtha
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ZetaTalk: Ramtha
Note: written on Mar 15, 2002
The entity claiming to be Ramtha, speaking through a channel, is widely viewed as a male entity, and for good reason.
This is not via a channel, but from a male associate of the channel, a woman. Why the deception? In the world of
man, it is males who have influence, but females who are allowed broad scope in what they report, in that they are
assumed to be illogical and emotional. This in conjunction with the stage presence and appearance and confidence of
the individual who would be the public front, determined which of the pair would go on stage. The male contactee
determines the content of the Ramtha messages, but the newscaster is a woman claiming to be a channel. This
contactee is arrogant and in contact with Service-to-Self entities as was Tesla. He received information and projections
allowing him to have a substantial track record on predictions, in order for the Ramtha message to gather a large
following, which it did. As with the Service-to-Self aliens giving the original MJ12 group ships, supposedly to allow
them to secure the technology, this was a false promise. MJ12 never secured any technology, as dissecting the ships
energy source or navigation devices caused explosions. But the myths of a technology exchange for access to
American citizens exists today. Thus, Ramtha, after establishing his initial repute, was no longer given information, as
he was considered cutting lose from his bonds by his controllers. Frustrated in increasing his scope, he turned to petty
control games, revealing his true orientation in these later days.
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ZetaTalk: Barbara Marciniak
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ZetaTalk: Barbara Marciniak
Note: written on Feb 15, 1996
Many channelers purport to be relaying information from the Pleadians, far out of proportion to the Pleadian influence
on Earth at this time. The reason for this choice, among the many channelers who are faking it, is that the Pleadians are
gentle speaking, not blunt, and focus on feel-good messages. It's all rather like the preamble to a sermon, without ever
arriving at the sermon. It's like attending lectures without ever having to take an exam. The Pleadians don't relay
messages that make humans uncomfortable, that's not their chosen role. They're greeters, the nice guys, easing humans
into the concept of an alien presence with pleasantries. Consequently, those who claim to be channeling Pleadians
don't get challenged to prove it, as no one is uncomfortable.
The drawback to the plethora of false channelers is the plethora of inaccuracies that follow. Barbara Marciniak claims
to c
hannel the Pleadians - she doesn't. She claims an ancient civilization lives in Antarctica - none does. She claims
entities called Game Masters create civilizations - they don't. This is not to say that everything she might write would
be a falsehood, it's just that it couldn't be trusted.
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ZetaTalk: Alexander
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ZetaTalk: Alexander
Note: written on Apr 15, 1996
Channeling in and of itself has an impact on the human allowing themselves to be a channel. They allow themselves to
be used as an instrument, as a violin or piano is used by the conductor and musician to relay a composers work to the
audience. Many hands play the violin or piano, in effect, but all have more control over the process than the instrument
itself, or so it would seem. Yet if the piano is not tuned, it leaves its mark on what the audience hears, and if the violin
can't sustain a rich and resonant sound, the audience misses what the composer intended. The instrument matters.
When reading channeled material, the reader should bear this in mind, and look for the slant that may be there, the
persistent theme that seems out of keeping with the bulk of the content. The work channeled for Alexander carries
such a mark, though the channeler Alexander would say otherwise. If a channeled work seems to be in conflict with
itself, then look to the channel, as perhaps the instrument is flawed.
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ZetaTalk: Sheldon Nidle
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ZetaTalk: Sheldon Nidle
Note: written on Dec 15, 1996
This author became known for purporting a theory about the Earth’s eminent entry into what he called the Photon Belt.
Where this theory was being purported with the best of intentions, and was indeed the result of true channeled
information from aliens in the Service-to-Other, the message was garbled for several reasons, as we have explained.
