Lexi
That's Real Talk!! Like I said, why should WE have to LOWER our standards?? STANDARDS are PREFERENCES and either someone will step to the plate that meets your standards or they won't and keep it pushing...which is good, cause if you don't meet my standards and I'm not willing to work with you, then you need to GET OUT MY FACE anyway! LOL!! LOL!!
Ms.Diva Lauryn
I’ve read all the posts!!!!! This one is so dear to my heart...on some real shit...shame on him!!!
Always CALI
Ok after RE-READING Slims comments I certainly read "The way Black people think in general is messed up. BOTH MEN AND WOMEN need to change how they think. MOST single women don’t want to settle for less. “
OK SO WHEN DID HE SAY ALL???? Now before I continue how many of you are married or have had your current man over 5 yrs???? EXACTLY!!!!!
Just like now, most of you are going on and on about who said it, that the message is not being heard. No seriously, isn’t this one of our brothers? Why is opinion discredited like what he saying is some bullshit but we all know there are plenty of women out their looking for a “Baller” or “Sugardaddy” ? COME ON!!!! And the other half can’t shut the hell up long enough and even listen to what their man has to say because they just have to be right about everything. I'm very frank and so was he and I can appreciate that. Well I guess he could’ve said it different but hell the meaning is still the same. Stand by your man let him make a decision or two w/o the yip yap. Have your own but know that when you let a man into your life he does have a say. And YES STOP BUYING GUCCI if you don’t know how you’re going to make the rent. People love to find fault in what someone else is saying but anyone can say whatever they want. It’s the women who fall for what looks good on the outside or how he's sexes you but then complain about the nigga ain’t shit. Well you picked him and let him into your bedroom but it’s his fault. AGAIN COME ON WITH THE BULLSHIT!!!! Take responsibility for creating these monsters cause most times women know he wasn’t shit when he was with Shanika. Now he with you and still ain’t shit and you complaining. If we never allowed them to start slacking they wouldn’t have in the 1st place. I'm not saying it’s totally the women’s fault but like SLIM SAID BLACK PEOPLE BOTH MEN AND WOMEN NEED TO CHANGE HOW THEY THINK!!!!
Lexi
He also said:
“It’s hard to trust a Black woman [sometimes] because a lot of Black women’s mind frame is that the man gotta do everything for her he gotta pay for this, he gotta pay for that, and if it ain’t about money then a lot of them ain’t
fucking with him.”
“White women treat they man like a king and Black women feel like they ain’t gotta do that shit. Black women need to stand by their man more.”
“Black women need to be more genuine and be more 50/50”
Again!! I agree with a LOT of what he had to say, but I disagree with a lot of it too and how he said it as well!! He KEEPS CONTRADICTING himself by saying that women need to help the brothers out by lowering their standards and while he elaborated on what women should do, he tried to end it on a good note and say BLACK PEOPLE need to do better, but by the time he got there, he already shitted in my face! That's just how I took it...it may not be right, but just like in his opinion, black women need to lower their standards, in my opinion, he GENERALIZED a LOT OF BLACK WOMEN with his opinion!
Ms.Diva Lauryn
You know it’s not so much the message as it is the delivery. Speaking for myself I am in a place where I can make an opinion. Been married, degree, in a stable relationship, so this topic is right on my plate of goodies.
I really think it’s disrespectful. It’s so disheartening to say
black women. PERIOD.
There is nobody else except US, slicing their people up and serving them on a platter to the media. What’s most important and should be understood is how black women are viewed in the media and the stereotypes...to say this and have it printed reinforces the view that is already there.
That is my main point. For a black man with chocolate skin to not be able to look in the mirror and see that he is worthy and not see the reflection of me in him and know that I am worthy is so disheartening. You cannot love me when you can't love yourself and for me this is what I see
in men who voice this type of opinion.
My closest home girls are mainly white and will only date outside if the black man has money. Now that’s real shit that black men don't know because they are on the outside looking in. Black women, at least state their preference, and move on. We don't play a role. Slim is so misguided.
Ms.Diva Lauryn
And with the example of Gucci, please. My girl carries a $4500.00 dollar Vasace bag-which is a limited collection from spring of 2009 and is late all the time on her rent--yes, she’s white. This is called not budgeting your money--its synonymous with all races but how would you know this if you've been raised in a one type atmosphere? (speaking of Slim)
Lexi
@ Diva - I spoke on his inability to use any TACT yesterday so I'm not going to get into it, but I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE...It's not his opinion that I have a problem with more than the fact that he GENERALIZED and didn't use any TACT when speaking in a PUBLIC FOURM.
Lexi
@ Diva - YES!! ALL WOMEN SHARE SOME OF THE SAME HABITS and it doesn't matter if she's Black, White, Purple, or Brown!! But he DISTINCTLY SAID, "White women treat they man like a king and Black women feel like they ain’t gotta do that shit." As if there are no white women that don't fuck over their men and no Black women that don't bend over backwards for their men!!
Always CALI
We are all individuals and you can’t expect someone else to say something like you say it. Still, his message isn’t that far off base and also, Slim Thug is 20 something and we are 30 somethings… so we are speaking in retrospect while he is speaking in his present tense. At 20 something I AINT GONE LIE!!!! I was exactly the type of woman he was speaking about… wanted a man with this and that who could buy me things. AND WHY NOT!!!! I could always buy them for myself but why not have him do it if he was fucking me??? But the key to that statement was I could ALWAYS buy them for myself. I was also hard headed and didn’t want to listen to my man, Hell my favorite line was, "You’re not my damn daddy" but now that I've matured, it’s not about him being my daddy… it’s about him being my man. And the Bible says that a woman's job is to be obedient.
Now check this… let’s pretend that this was you and your man having a casual conversation and he is saying what Slim is saying. EXACT words.... Do you get mad at your man cause of how he put it out there or do you LISTEN to what he's saying and go from there? Me? I used to yip yap but have learned it’s not how you say it it’s what you are saying. And if the sho fits you either wear it or change to another pair. Both men and women need to take responsibility and STOP pointing the damn finger... Ok so you don’t like what he said but does that mean it’s not true????
Lexi
Cali, He wasn’t speaking at a dice game on the corner with the homies. He gave an interview to a NATIONALLY PUBLISHED MAGAZINE....If he didn't want his opinion scrutinized for public opinion, he should have declined!! He put HIMSELF up for scrutiny the minute he agreed to do it....With that being said, I don't have to agree or disagree with what he said or the way he said it!! I'm sorry, but for me his age isn't a factor....20, 30, or 50 years old is old enough to know that when you say something to a magazine, people are going to scrutinize it and CHOOSING YOUR WORDS ARE CRUCIAL. Again...just my opinion....
AND I NEVER SAID THAT EVERYTHING HE said was a total FABRICATION or that he just MADE SOME SHIT UP!! LMAO!! LMAO!! THERE IS TRUTH BEHIND WHAT HE IS SAYING...AGAIN...THERE IS SOME TRUTH TO WHAT HE'S SAYING, BUT HE was not 100% on point...at least not in MY opinion he wasn't.
Always CALI
Ok now Lexi… You’re proving Slim’s point... JMO Most Black women have just too much to damn say!!! YES HE DID DO AN INTERVIEW AND YES WE HAVE EVERY RIG
HT TO AGREE OR DISAGREE. But you going all around the rainbow with this. Your main focus is not what he said. You have a problem with his choice of words. Ok I get it!!!! But 1st you said he generalized but he didn’t… He said "MOST" and he went on to say "BOTH MEN AND WOMEN NEED TO DO BETTER" and if I can recall that was in the 1st line of his interview. Now if you tell me your thought process wasn’t different in your 20s than it is now than we both know you’re shitting us. Hell I wish I knew half the things I know now back THEN!!! IJS Don’t kill the messenger if the message is true. This article could bring change to some because their game has been exposed. He put they ass on blast & kept it real!!!! Cause chicks are buying $500 Indian Hair with no regard for their future… too stuck on locking down a Baller.. Look out the window right now, bet you see a few driving or walking down the street. Then you have the regular check to check ladies working hard to maintain but the average check to check brother ain’t good enough cause she's steady looking for the one with it all ALREADY. Let’s not leave out the ones with a little education and status who can’t date no less than a Dr. and if she does, she wants to make him feel like he has no say cause she don’t really need him. Come on quit playing… LIKE HE SAID "WE HAVE ALL GOT TO DO BETTER" He's speaking from a man’s point of view which is something we could never do. And again, he's saying we need to be more down. So in my mind I'm not hung up on him knocking us down… I'm thinking about how I can be down with my man more. JMO
Lexi
AGAIN.... EVERYTHING HE SAID WASN'T TRUE AND EVERYTHING HE SAID WASN'T FALSE!!! AND I'M SORRY IT'S EITHER ONE OR THE OTHER FOR YOU!!! LMAO!!
It's not for me!! I agree with parts of his message, but I disagree with other parts and I disagree with the way he
said it.
I'm proving his point how?? Cause I have an opinion and I disagree with HIS?? Or that I disagree with the way he stated it?? I've never said that I think I'm too good and won't lower my standards for a man who isn't worthy! I don't go buying name brand shit cause that ain't my get down. I've been with the same man for the past 6 years and we've both had to be the bread winner at one point while the other one didn't work. I held him down and he's held me down. I COOK, CLEAN, FUCK, And SUCK, and whatever else he needs me to do to take care of him and vice versa....so how am I proving him right?? Cause I disagree that his ENTIRE MESSAGE WAS 100% TRUTH???
HE DID GENERALIZE!!! When he said Black Women don't know how to treat a man...He DID GENERALIZE when he said that WHITE women treat their men like a king....HE DID GENERALIZE when he said Black women need to stand by their man more and they need to be more genuine and keep it 50/50....THOSE ARE
GENERALIZATIONS IN MY EYES!
YES, he TRIED to throw in some "BOTH MEN AND WOMEN NEED TO DO BETTER" but when I read it, the gist of what I got on a whole was that he was talking about BLACK WOMEN, not BLACK RELATIONSHIPS....
My thought process in my 20s WAS GRAVELY different than it is now but TACT is something that I've always HAD!! Apparently he doesn't....which is fine...he NEVER has to use it as far as I'm concerned! LMAO!! LMAO!!
Bless his heart!!
Just BECAUSE YOU FEEL THAT EVERYTHING HE SAID IS 100% the truth, I don't have to agree with his entire message!! Did some of the things he say ring true? YES! I know bitches like that personally!! Do all of the things he said ring true?? NO!! Do I LIKE the way he STATED his opinion?? NO!! Just because I dislike the way he stated it, does that mean that the things that I think he said that are actually the truth not true?? NO!! They're STILL the truth whether I like the way he said it or not!!
LMAO!! LMAO!! I can disagree with his overall opinion, I can disagree with the way he stated it but it doesn't mean that I don't think that parts of his message were true! IT WAS!! But just because PART OF WHAT HE SAYING WAS TRUE, doesn't make EVERYTHING HE SAID 100 in my eyes!
Ms.Diva Lauryn
>>>>>HIGH 5@Lexi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Always CALI
OK THIS IS MY LAST RESPONSE!!!! NOT ONCE DID I EVER SAY I AGREED WITH EVERYTHING HE SAID!!!! I SAIIIID HE HAD SOME VERY VALID POINTS!!!!
And what I mean by we should stand by our men and NOT YOU and your personal life THIS ARTICLE ONLY!!!
THIS IS ONE OF OUR MEN!!!! AND INSTEAD OF ANYONE AT FIRST EVEN WILLING TO ADMIT THE MAN WASNT JUST TALKING OUT HIS ASS.
From the first comment on, it’s been nothing but BASHING!!! INSTEAD OF FOCUSING ON ANYTHING HE SAID THAT WAS TRUE AND TAKING A LOOK INWARD WE'VE GOT A MILLION AND ONE POINTS HOW TO BREAK A BROTHER DOWN!!! BLACK WOMEN FIRST WANNA JUMP TO THE DEFENSE!!! AND WANNA POINT THE FINGER RIGHT BACK. UNTIL SOMEONE WANTS TO STEP UP AND SAY YOU KNW YOUR RIGHT WE GONE KEEP GOING BACK AND FORTH AND OUR MEN ARE GOING TO KEEP SWITCHING TO THE OTHER TEAM.
First it was his etiquette and he should’ve said it different. FUCK THAT!! Everybody ain’t politically correct, an again we are talking about SLIM THUG!!!! Folks always hollering they keeping it real but when someone really puts it out there, they get offended. Is this having OUR men back?? Yeah sometimes we don’t say things right and Yeah sometimes what you say can be twisted and turned but hell IT IS WHAT IT IS!!!!!
Lexi
Cali, that's not true....YOU clearly stated that I'm "proving his point”...therefore it turned personal and I inserted my
personal response!
From my VERY first response, I stated that I disagreed with his generalizations and in just about EVERY response to you I stated that as well, just as I stated that there's TRUTH behind some of his words, but I don't agree with everything. I CAN have more than 1 reason for disliking
somone's opinion, right?
None of my points have changed...In every response I said that his etiquette was WRONG...and I still STAND TALL ON THAT too!! There is a TIME AND PLACE for everything and if you have the balls to talk shit about BLACK WOMEN in a nationally published magazine, whether what you’re speaking about is the truth or made up, then you DAMN WELL better be prepared for a backlash and be prepared to stand behind the shit you say. This wasn’t a private conversation between homies in the hood…this is his VOICE to the world… And if this is the IMAGE of himself that he’s putting out there and he’s comfortable with
himself, God bless him…But bets believe it won’t be no punk ass SLIM THUG being played under this roof!! LMAO!! Yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion and their opinion may even hold some form of the truth, but at the end of the day, IF YOU SLANG SHIT, BE PREPARED TO DEFEND SHIT!! Everyone else who responded didn't bash him right away...in fact most recognized he brought up good points just as I did...But good points in an over generalized statement is NOT GOOD ENOUGH to get your point across and be taken seriously most of the times…and
in this case, he failed MISERABLY.
GREAT DEBATE anyway chica!! ;-)
You raised a LOT of valid and interesting points!!
Always CALI
Very good debate... Now it’s going on, on my thread and I told you it was gone be heated. Girls against the boys with me in the middle. LMAO!!!!
CHAPTER 28 – THE STORY OF MY LIFE
The Story of My Life
Abandoned, Lonely, Sad, Rejected
Labeled, Bitter, Empty, Disrespected
If when it rains it pours like they say
Then my entire life has been a thunderstorm
And if God only takes care of babies and fools
Then I should never have been born
Needless to say, it’s raining today
But I think I saw a rainbow
Just maybe there is a place for me
And I too have dreams to sow
You know, I looked in the mirror today
And began to feel dejected
Until I began to see myself
In other ways than what’s reflected
Even though my life’s a mess
And I’ve been scarred, battered, and abused
That doesn’t mean I’m hopeless
But simply that I’m confused
I�
��ve grown accustomed to being lied to
And used to being disappointed
Looked down on by society
Even shunned by those who claim to be anointed
I’ve seen and done many things
The likes of which you’d be surprised
But from this abyss of negativity and anguish
I’ve discovered I can rise.
To heights and plateaus that you’ve never imagined
Because see for me skies the limit
I am no longer a statistic
Because I am here to make a difference with my existence
And I AM in it to win it
CHAPTER 29 – GHETTO
Ghetto
Getting up before the sun rises to catch three buses to a
job I hate
Hatred of the oppressive force that keep me in a dead end
job that pays dead ends
Education, or lack thereof that confines me to this
depressing way of life
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