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desire for independence and self importance. Thus the idea that a relative youngster could have wisdom beyond their
elders is incomprehensible to humans. How often, from the mouths of babes, come great insight? How often do the
mutterings of mature humans in their prime show that their thinking is cluttered with dependency longings, irrational
resentments, self-promotion, and an inability to be creative or resourceful? Age means nothing!
A soul is unaware of its status, but tends to recognize other strong souls during an incarnation. The human form is a
great mask, in the main, except to the educated. Old souls almost instantly recognize each other. This is not a body
language issue, as the human can be unaware of the age of their soul, other than that they find they are focusing on
issues differently than others around them. An old soul often finds they are strongly at issue to Service-to-Self
agendas, or take action suddenly to situations where others about them are debating and unsure. An old soul often has
a skill set that surprises the parents, expressing early in the life of the young human whose knowledge and skill are
coming from a source other than the education being given by the parents. Thus, there are clues, but the old soul in a
young body feels, most often, strange and apart until meeting others of his kind.
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ZetaTalk: Why Incarnations
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ZetaTalk: Why Incarnations
Note: written Jan 15, 2002
At what point do incarnations cease to be a learning tool? Humans entranced with Out-of-Body experiences imagine
this to be a goal, as they see so many advantages. They could spy on their neighbors, gain information useful in power plays, and just travel without expense or distress. However, Service-to-Other entities intent on their lessons do not
consider such skipping out of school an advantage.
Incarnations trap the developing soul in a body with limitations, lesson 1.
Incarnations create the need to be creative, and resourceful, lesson 2.
Incarnations put the developing soul in pain and distress, frustration, longing, so that the soul has empathy later
for others in this situation, lesson 3.
Thus, incarnation are seen as a tool, and until the soul has grown beyond this point, and has learned all the lesson that could be learned from incarnation, there is no press to avoid them. Humans experience Out-of-Body during suffering,
as many Near Death Experiencers will tell you that they viewed their moment of death from outside their body.
Torture, or intense pain, will likewise cause the soul to jump out of the body, and the body and soul then remember
this and attempt to repeat it. This is discouraged by the Spirit Guides, who consider this skipping out of school, and
the soul is forced back into the body by various means. As you mature, and move forward into higher densities, this
desire to skip out of school will cease.
Many life forms in 3rd Density are incapable of manipulating their environment. They can have empathy with each
other, the key ingredient for development past 3rd Density, as the Service-to-Other vs. Service-to-Self decision can be made. But for water creatures, for instance, who have no appendages and cannot manipulate their environment,
technology is not possible. We have mentioned that Crop Circles are done by water creatures who could not travel to
this planet unless assisted. They function in 4th and even 5th Density, in this life form, but do not construct or operate
space ships. This is done for them. They are able, through physical means, primarily what you would consider mental
powers, to create the crop circles. Thus, technology, which is whiz-bang to humans, is merely viewed as a toy, and the
lack of technology not a reason to avoid incarnations.
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ZetaTalk: When We Die
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ZetaTalk: When We Die
Note: written Apr 15, 1996
Humans are aware of a reception line awaiting them when they die, from the reports of Near Death Experiences - a
long tunnel with a bright white light at the end, and those now deceased who were close to them waiting or beckoning.
If the moment of death is confusing to doctors, it is no less clear in the spiritual realm. An injured body, such as one
sustaining massive brain injury, may cease to be a home for the incarnating entity months before those attending the
death watch finally pull the sheets up over the lingering beloved. It is possible, in such a circumstance, that the entity
has already been placed in another, thriving, human body - a newborn babe. On the other hand, some entities hang
around long after the body has been cremated or burned, as haunting ghosts. Beyond the issue of when the spirit leaves
the body is the spiritual issue of how the entity puts the past life to rest, judges progress made on various lessons that
were at the fore going into the incarnation, and determines any future course of action they personally might desire as
a result - critique time.
If the death was sudden and unexpected, the entity may have many outstanding issues they remain concerned with after
the physical body dies. This invariably is the first stop after death, though it varies depending on the general orientation
of the entity and their life circumstances. Someone elderly, who had long settled their affairs in preparation for the
inevitable, might not do more than cast a backward glance on their way to the future, noting that their death was being
handled as they had anticipated. Someone in their prime, with dependent children or oldsters and many outstanding
promises, might linger at this stage, visiting those they are concerned about as a ghost, essentially an Out-Of-Body, for
days or months until they can see the outcome. This stage differs between orientations, the Service-to-Others lingering
longer due to their concern for others and the Service-to-Self wishing only to move on to future opportunities.
At times, those who have been wronged and wish for vindication or revenge may also linger at this stage, haunting in
an effort to influence humans affairs. If the spirit is lingering, it is often allowed to do so, else it avoids the current
incarnation and is distracted. As we have stated, the spirit, once sparked, does not die, and pain must be dealt with as a
resolution on future lives. Spirits are aware of their past lives, though the human incarnated is clueless, often. Thus, for the spirit, there is no change in this matter after death. The spirit between incarnations is like an Out-Of-Body
experience, in that it can communicate more readily, and thus the Guides have no problem getting them to gather. They
are talking up a storm, especially if coming from a recent disaster or shared experience. Once reincarnated, the young
spirits are intent on learning experiences, pressing agendas forward, and the like. Incarnations are more than discussion groups, they are action oriented!
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ZetaTalk: Between Lives
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ZetaTalk: Between Lives
Note: written Jan 15, 1996
Forming entities on a 3rd Density world incarnate almost continuously early in their 3rd Density existence, unless there
is a lack of opportunity. Just after an intelligent species has been genetically engineered
, however, forming entities
usually find the opposite situation - more than enough bodies awaiting an incarnation, a choice. This is due to many
forming entities aborting upon death, so that a stable or growing population has an increasing number of bodies but
few reincarnating entities. During these early years the majority of intelligent, conscious, creatures are in fact virgin
territory for a new forming entity, with the minority being occupied by a reincarnating spirit. The birthing envoys, at
this stage, allow the process to occur automatically. In due time they step in to start guiding incarnations, but do this
without having to resort to the imposition of any physical restraints.
We have mentioned that spirit guides force an Out-Of-Body entity back into its body, and that birthing envoys gather
up entities leaving a dead or dying body. How is this done without physical restraints? If spirits can pass through walls
and travel freely, would they not simply flit away from the entities watching over them? Order is maintained in these
situations by what we would best describe as a force of will. Entities acting as school yard monitors on a 3rd Density
world are operating in 4th Density, and many have arrived from even higher densities to do service. Spiritually, they
have more bulk, more mass, and certainly have more wisdom and skill to coax and manipulate lesser entities.
An immature entity leaning toward Service-to-Self is led to an environment, among more mature entities, where it can
be the center of attention, and thus it has no urge to wander. Immature entities leaning toward Service-to-Other are
placed together with a peer that needs healing, and participate with higher density entities in this process. They
likewise, given their sense of purpose, have no immediate urge to wander. Where recently incarnated entities have
unsettled business and wish to visit the living or to visit certain settings, a field trip is essentially arranged. Some of
these field trips go on for years and even hundreds of years, producing what you term hauntings. During this time the
distraught entity is in the company of its guides, who normally keep watch over a number of other immature entities at
the same time. Nevertheless, the guides can be called upon to attend to the haunting entity, when need be.
Over time a 3rd Density world evolves to the point where most of its intelligent creatures are occupied by
reincarnating entities, and unless there is a drastic reduction in the population, waiting periods only occur when the
birthing envoys determine that the next incarnation requires special circumstances. During times of a rapid increase in
population, such as the Earth has experienced during the past half century, no reincarnation occurs in many intelligent creatures, but a forming entity may begin. As is usual in these circumstances, most will abort. Thus, when the harvest
time comes, during the pending pole shift, there will not be close to five billion souls to be escorted to new homes, but only a little more than a billion. Where a life is lived passively, with little challenge and exhibiting no initiative, a
forming entity is unlikely to do anything but dissipate upon death. There is nothing for the birthing envoys to gather.
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ZetaTalk: Next Incarnation
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ZetaTalk: Next Incarnation
Note: written Feb 15, 2002
Critique of the incarnation, judging the success or failure of the incarnation, is not always what the entity might desire.
The entity might feel they, themselves, have made progress where the spirit guides have another opinion entirely.
Progress on lessons to be learned can be confused by cross currents, where the life circumstances offered opportunities
such that unplanned lessons were addressed, and those planned got neglected. The immature entity may view the
incarnation a failure, in this regard, and be surprised to find the record being looked at from unexpected angles. Most
often the entity has made scarce progress, and will find themselves repeating the setting in future lives until progress is
made. The stage where future action is determined marks the point where the past life is settled and the future is
beginning. This point is not reached as long as issues from the first two stages are outstanding. It is at this stage that
the lessons at the fore of the next incarnation are clear. The immature entity may not be in agreement, and thus this
stage can be drawn out, as the incarnation would be wasted if the focus were not clear.
Where humans are unaware of their past lives, and per the Rule of Forgetfulness are supposed to start the incarnation with a clean slate, in fact the immature entity needs to be clear on how their progress is viewed by others. They may
not agree, but they must understand. At this point the next incarnation is planned and plotted by the spirit guides, who
give scant consideration to what the immature entity might be clamoring for. The spirit is often mulling the past life
over prior to the moment of death, and planning the next incarnation. Thus, there is a normal progression to discussion
with the Spirit Guides, who are in teamship with the Birthing Guides, and the next incarnation is often arranged
quickly. As we have mentioned this is not the choice of the young spirit, but of the guides. Thus, it's a bit like getting
of a train at the station, and walking over to our next train! Just like that, on your way again!
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ZetaTalk: Crowded Incarnations
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ZetaTalk: Crowded Incarnations
Note: written Apr 15, 1997
On worlds where incarnations are beginning to repeat, where entities have sparked due to incarnating into intelligent
species and are re-incarnating again and again, crowded incarnations seldom happen as there is a plenitude of bodies
for the entities to incarnate into. However, in a situation such as the Earth is due to experience, where the majority of
bodies will die suddenly leaving the formerly incarnated entities without opportunities, chaos can and does ensue.
Crowded incarnations are very temporary. For instance during the forthcoming pole shift this potential may exist for
several months. The normal procedure where immature entities are gathered upon death of their body and amused or
otherwise occupied until the next incarnation can be arranged is difficult due to the numbers, so at times these entities
roam about and try to arrange their own incarnations. One of four possible outcomes ensue:
The incarnation can become crowded, where more than one entity is incarnating. When this occurs, the human
body often becomes quite crowded, with several entities in and out in varying degrees, as the entity originally
incarnating is weak and does not fight for its territory. It can occur that multiple entities are incarnating in a
body at once, and in these situations all are weak or they would not tolerate cohabitation either.
A fight for the body ensues, where the stronger entity pushes out all others. Normally the birthing guides prevent
such takeovers but during chaotic conditions, this can pass notice temporarily. If the originally incarnating entity
does not want to be removed and lingers about in resentment, the birthing guides soon arrive to set things right
again. However, if the entity dis
placed in fact was looking for a way out and is relieved, this may be treated as a
voluntary walk-in and allowed to continue.
The takeover entities are rebuffed from the beginning and no crowded incarnation ensues. This is most often the
case, as the originally incarnating entity most definitely has the advantage, being familiar with the territory for
instance. The incarnating entity and its human body sense what they might term ghosts or spirits about, and even
be aware of spiritual discussions or invitations, but are otherwise not disturbed by the drama which in truth does
not begin.
All leave in disgust over the haranguing, leaving the human body without an incarnating entity and vulnerable to
yet another entity that might come along and be interested. This might occur when the human’s situation is
unappealing and the originally incarnating entity has been Out-Of-Body and understands how to arrange this for
itself. Where the original entity has not yet learned this capacity, this outcome would not occur.
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ZetaTalk: Incarnation Focus
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ZetaTalk: Incarnation Focus
written Oct 14, 2006
Since there are so many dysfunctional families in the world where parents and children do not bond well,
it seems rather we are all being reincarnated together at the Birthing Envoys' choice and not by our own
choice. After all, who the hell would choose to be born to an emotionally bankrupt, remote, abusive
parent? No one. The Birthing Envoys must be arranging these family incarnations in order to teach
simultaneous lessens to each of us and / or to test us. This existence is a test anyway, right?
We have stated that for immature souls the Spirit Guides dictate the circumstances of an incarnation, and the immature
soul has scant input. We have stated that Out-of-Body experiences are discouraged, considered flitting out of school,
with the young souls returned to their incarnation. We have stated that this type of monitoring or coercion by the Spirit
