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chooses to state started only because of 911, in fact was in process as soon as Bush sole the White House. This is a
common ploy, among those assigning themselves leadership in countries, to point to war and threats from the outside.
War is not going to be profitable, for anyone, other than as a threat, so we suspect this is where the issue will remain.
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WW 3 will not occur, though there will be threats of this endlessly going into the shift. The reason, as we have stated,
that full scale war will not break out between countries, is that none have a thing to gain from this. What has been
occurring, though termed "war" by Bush, Jr. is not war, as it is a country against an element, a criminal element,
perhaps a revolutionary element, but not another country. Many countries deal with revolution, Spain today, for
instance, and do not call this "war". There are black markets, organized crime in the US and Italy and Russia, drug
cartels, and this is not "war" though this word is used. To focus on issues at the border, as we have mentioned, is a
time-honored way of shushing the populace, as they fear to divert the parent during troubling times. Countries use this
to distract and quiet their populace when internal issues are distressing. Countries use this to avoid addressing these
issues. If one wants to quiet a squabbling group of siblings, one announces that one of them, or then household, is
under attack! Every mother can tell you that a united front is formed, and squabbles put aside. Thus, we predict that
threats, and saber rattling will occur, but not war.
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ZetaTalk: Financial Freeze
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Note: written on Dec 15, 1999.
When the markets start to tumble, they will tumble rapidly and may move in many directions. There may be financial
freezes maintained, such that the financial status quo at a given point in time and the cash value of moneys of different
countries are not allowed to float freely. It’s essentially like stopping an elevator from moving up or down. It simply
doesn’t move after that point in time. Black markets of course will develop, but they develop somewhat slowly, not
overnight. So this kind of enforced freeze, in essence a martial law of the financial field, can be maintained for many
months, even years, and be somewhat effective. This is a likely outcome. This is already happening on the stock
market where a run on a stock is stopped by a closure of the stock markets. They cease the trading until some time has
passed, and this is a forerunner of what is to come.
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ZetaTalk: Market Crash
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Note: written on Dec 15, 1999.
In any game there are winners and losers. Between the present and when there will surely be a crash of banks that
cannot be sustained and the barter system essentially returns, there is an end game in play. This end game is being laid
out on the money markets and has many players wishing to gain the upper hand and maintain the upper hand. This is
in the hands of humans - many different governments and many different banks and many different wealthy
individuals who are either cooperating with each other or planning to stab each other in the back and pull the rug out
from each other. Therefore, given this, the game could tumble in many different directions. But one thing is clear:
there are perhaps half a dozen international banks, very heavily moneyed, which would never be out of the running or
powerless in this game.
Today, they are maintaining confidence in what may be termed the working man. They wish the populace to be
unconcerned, to feel a sense of comfort, that the good times are with them, and not to look about and notice what some
are saying - that emergency stores are empty and crops are failing and the stock market is over-inflated. They wish the
populace to be dull, lethargic, and spending money, because much of the stability of an economy is based on
confidence. In fact, without confidence, most governments and financial structures would fail and fail rapidly. So
confidence is kept pumped up as long as this can be maintained. Most stocks are inflated beyond their value, very few
are not, and they can fall to 1/4 of their value before they settle with the public feeling they have some confidence in
the stock and that it cannot be worth less. This is a huge drop. For the wealthy, who are living a well cushioned life, it
doesn’t put them out on the street, but for some people who are living on their savings, it would mean a change of
lifestyle and may mean that they are destitute or desperate.
Note: below added during the Jun 1, 2002 Live ZetaTalk IRC Session.
We are frequently asked to pin point the moment of collapse, which of course will not be a moment but a series of
moments, when this or that leg under the table breaks, and finally a corner drops, slipping the table top contents onto
the floor, and finally the table itself drops. Beyond that this will be a series of steps, and is in the hands of man, due to
the general rule that we are not to interfere with mankind’s free will. Very seldom can we interfere, and then within
strict bounds. For instance, we can describe in general terms that it will collapse, not when. For instance, we can
describe the quakes and volcanic eruptions that will occur leading up to the shift, not when for an area. Do we warn
you today, about a volcanic eruption, a tornado, a broken rail line, or a stock inflated beyond real worth? No! Nor do
we cure your cancer, rescue you from floods, or feed you when you are starving. Thus, expect no more going into the
shift than you get now, from aliens, or good spirits, or angels or whatever you call them.
Note: below added during the Jul 20, 2002 Live ZetaTalk IRC Session.
Up until the present, the US Stock Market, leading the world as the engine to pull the world out of a global slump, has
maintained its position by stealth. Confidence is the name of the game, and confidence was maintained not only by
talk-up from market analysts, but also by the value of stock on the market. Value on the market equates to what the
buyer is willing to pay! And thus, if poor stock has buyers, then it has worth. Thus, those end-of-day rallies that have
often occurred during the past couple years were designed, to raise expectations for the next day. Stock that dropped
was viewed differently by the morning, by all the analysts that take into consideration the buyers willingness to buy,
and the market off and away again, raising and soaring.
What happened then, this past week, that such a dramatic drop occurred with few stops. This in spite of assertion on
heavyweights that all was well, and no need for new SEC controls or inspections. The trend overwhelmed the counter-
trends, with those buying bad stock doing so, but the overwhelming numbers of such stock simply causing this to be
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ZetaTalk: Market Crash
negated. What does this mean? That the prediction we have made, since late 1999, of a market crash to the extent that
stock would drop to 1/4 of its former value, the market in general at this point, will soon occur. If poor stock cannot be
bought u
p in sufficient quantity, a point reached now, then it will be evident to the public that poor stock is poor, and
confidence allowed to drop to the level the company profits and performance deserve. Thus, hold onto your seats, as
the drop will occur rapidly, now, and the barter system begin to replace the monetary system.
The real estate bubble will likewise burst when the current weather problems and lack of insurance coverage prove this
to be hollow. The percent of the workforce to be affected is already increasing, and look to the Depression era,
worldwide, for expected results. During the coming depression, which is in fact in place but denied by the media and
powers that be, one should look to the past Great Depression as an example of things to come. Banks were insolvent,
but allowed to operate, not called in. Homeowners and businesses were insolvent, unable to pay, but not called to
term, allowed to continue. The reasoning was that there was no one to buy these insolvent entities, so why discontinue
their operations! Thus, those insolvent entities were allowed to continue, and gradually came back into solvency, and
thus business was reestablished. During the coming crash, this will repeat itself, but with a difference. There will be no
re-solvency, no new health, but the shift, instead.
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ZetaTalk: Crash Impact
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Note: written on Dec 15, 1999.
Of course, we advise people that since the barter system is the end result, to put their money into goods that can be
bartered, into things like land that does not lose its value, because all else will. This includes jewels, coins, bonds,
anything that is based on something other than substance has the potential of failing. As to which countries will prevail
and which not, this somewhat depends on their international reach. Those countries that have a broad international
reach, and tentacles in other countries, are like someone caught in a net. They will not fall that far unless all are falling.
The countries that will fare the best, and have the strongest dollar, are those that will have the least severe impact from
crop shortages or the inability of commerce to proceed.
Japan has a broad reach, tentacles into all other countries and banking systems. It would not be allowed to fail if others
were failing, simply because it would drag the others down. However, as the island itself does not produce much of its
raw materials but requires them to be imported, when it becomes a time when no one has money to buy manufactured
goods, the imports will suffer, and there will be much inner turmoil on the island. The yen is likely to suffer against
the dollar in this regard. China will be severely impacted. It already has trouble feeding its populace, and where the
China bear was about to roar, it will shrivel down to the mew of a kitten and not again be heard from.
The US and some countries in Europe are attempting to maintain their strong hold based on their rich resources. This
may or may not succeed, but will probably keep them, in the case of the US, somewhat head and shoulders above the
others, so that as they all are sinking you will still see the head of the US above. The grain belt, and the agriculture
from the southeast is varied enough to give them a leg to stand on. In many cases in Europe, the population is pushing
the limits of what the land can sustain, and they will suffer in the same way that Japan may suffer.
Third world countries that are suffering from crop shortages because of drought or deluges, will find that they become
a non-entity and experience in essence the dark ages of commerce rapidly, retreating backward to a level they were 50
to 100 years ago, as though their progress had never occurred. The desert areas will essentially not be heard from, the
Sudan, Iraq and Iran. Starvation will be great and media coverage little. Other than some saber rattling as they fall into
a death march into starvation, they will not be a player.
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ZetaTalk: Mayan Calendar
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ZetaTalk: Mayan Calendar
Note: written on Dec 15, 1995. Planet X and the 12th Planet are one and the same.
The Mayan calendar is not so much incorrect as misunderstood. The calendar is derived from calendars and plotting
methods left behind by the hominoid visitors from the 12th Planet. There are and were many calendars in operation,
the western calendar of 365 days with an occasional leap year is only one such method. Dates, when plotted according
to one calendar method, do not always line up exactly when translated to another calendar. However, the primary
difficulty in interpreting the Mayan calendar is determining the correct starting point. One may be accurate in
calculating the number of days, months, and years between events, but unless the starting point is precisely known, the
end point is questionable. Thus there are various interpretations on when the Mayan calendar ends, albeit this rather
obviously coincides with the coming millennium. We have given the correct dates for the return of the 12th Planet as
the year 2003 [Note: see 2003 Date explanation] for the devastating first pass. All other dates are incorrect.
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ZetaTalk: May 5, 2000
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Note: written on Aug 15, 1996.
Periodically the planets in orbit around the Earth's Sun near each other during their sojourns, and at rare times they
appear to stretch in a line out from the Sun, gravitationally pulling on the Earth, some humans suspect, from both
sides. Does this affect the Earth? Well of course it does, and if the influence had left much of an impression on
mankind this would be recorded as a regular event. Tides are a little stronger, and the Earth's orbit is a tad more
pronounced on one side, but except for astronomers, mankind is blissfully unaware. Will the coming alignment cause a
pole shift, the weight of the ice laden poles pulling toward the lineup of outer planets? This silly argument is not even
logical, and is given weight only because the true cause of pole shifts, the 12th Planet, is out of view between
cataclysms and generally forgotten. Survivors, picking up the pieces and trying not to starve to death, had more on
their minds than recording the event in more than verbal horror stories told to one another when seeking solace.
The gravity pull of the giant gaseous planets, even when they line up and all pull like so many men along a rope in a
tug-of-war, is a fraction of a fraction of the gravity pull of the Sun. During half the year an ice laden pole on one side
of the Earth or the other is leaning toward the Sun, and if inclined to move the crust of the Earth toward a gravity pull,
this is when that would occur. Do not the ice laden poles continue to increase in weight until the Earth is out of
balance? A simple calculation on the structure of the surface of the Earth would show that land masses such as the
combined mass of Russia and China or such major continents as Africa or the Americas, made of thick rock and
soaring mountains in places, far outweigh the majority of the Earth's surface where waters pool in low-lying areas. Do
these inequities cause po
le shifts?
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ZetaTalk: Precision
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Note: written on Feb 15, 2000. Planet X and the 12th Planet are one and the same.
Precision is difficult in these matters, as all is in motion and affects the exact outcome. This is similar to an inbound
hurricane, where one can state the path and wind speed, but there are uncertainties as to whether a dam will break or
an ocean going vessel will decides to move into or out of a port in the hurricane's path. A city may be safe or
devastated based on these occurrences. For the pole shift, what is in motion is:
1. the 12th Planet, which will stick to the path computed as the factors involved are based on astronomy and not
subject to change.
2. the location of the earth at the time, which can vary slightly as to what part of the Earth is facing the 12th Planet.
Where this will be the Atlantic rift, the exact point of stoppage depends upon the speed of rotation as it
approaches the stoppage, and this speed is dependent upon swirling in the core, what parts of the core are near or
far from the Atlantic rifts as the moment of stoppage approaches.
3. the shift itself, which will start at an uncertain moment due to the exact part of the Atlantic rift facing the 12th
Planet not being known. Thus, it may start a tad earlier or later, based on the strength of magnetism on the
earth's surface facing the approaching 12th.
4. the shift stoppage, which will vary according to the speed of the shift. This will be forceful or more gentle
depending upon the magnetic influences not only on what part of the earth is facing the 12th as it approaches, but
also on what magnetic components in the swirling core are facing or afar from the 12th as it approaches.
Thus, the exact placement of the new North and South poles is difficult to pinpoint, but the general placement can be
estimated.
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