ZetaTalk: Transformation

by Nancy Lieder

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  ZetaTalk: Organized Religion

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  ZetaTalk: Organized Religion

  Note: written Dec 15, 1996.

  One of the big and early losers during the Transformation will be the organized religions of the world. They are

  already losing membership, though this is rarely reported, and anxiety is gripping those in the corridors of power as a

  result. The Catholic religion has long experienced depletion of their ranks in the United States, and as entrenched as

  Catholicism is in South America, this continent is not far behind. The trend toward tolerance and open mindedness

  does not incline one toward rigidities and the acceptance of authority that organized religions rely upon. Where there

  are enclaves of control, as within Islamic states, the rest of the world has shown a steady trend toward free thinking

  and independence from the mandates that organized religions impose.

  What does this mean for the church? Shrinking membership means shrinking profits, but for many organized religions

  this does not represent a pinch as the numbers interested in devoting their lives as free workers to an organized

  religion are also shrinking. The Catholic church has long had a much underreported exodus from the priesthood and

  nunneries, and other religions with rigid doctrines have experienced similar trends. The ranks grow older and new

  members from the youth of society join less often. In many enclaves of the devout, there are none but the old, and the

  entire establishment will close when the geriatric members die off. Thus, where the corridors of power are still filled

  with the same iron grip of the power hungry, the empire they rule continues to shrink.

  Thus, in those rare instances where church and state merge, such as some Islamic states, the church can do naught but

  fret. Changing the message to one of tolerance fools few and actually raises more suspicions than it dampens. For the

  Catholic church to accept the concept of evolution, when it tortured scores of humans during the inquisition for free

  thought now routinely accepted by the scientific community, is considered hypocrisy, which it is. No one is fooled, and

  if anything these false maneuvers turn away those who looked to the church for a sense of continuity and security.

  Even where church and state have temporarily merged, this is subject to change, and can suddenly be upset so that the

  church is again reliant upon the diminishing faithful.

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  ZetaTalk: Wealthy Elite

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  ZetaTalk: Wealthy Elite

  Note: written Sep 15, 1999.

  The wealthy elite are sitting on top of the pile and are not interested in losing this position. They have heard, either

  through innuendo or through their own paid research, that the coming cataclysms are very real. They try to imagine

  where they’ll be if the banks aren’t solid and they can’t just snap their fingers and order the services they need and

  intimidate people based on their money. Heaven forbid they should be leveled to the rest of the populace and have to

  grovel and scratch! They can’t have that! They are trying to figure out what they can do. In the past they could rely on

  the court system, which is in the main their friend, or large corporations which can threaten to fire or harass those

  failing to cooperate with the wealthy elite. And of course they have bought politicians right and left.

  What are they to do if all of this is aside, and they are just standing there with their useless paper money and their

  store of goods? Even if they hire people to guard them, that only goes so far. One can have 50 people with assault

  weapons guarding the perimeter, but depending on what comes at you this may be inadequate. A sheer force of

  numbers can spill bodies until the guards are overwhelmed, and then the horde is at the gate. So the wealthy elite

  worry about situations like Mexicans traveling north, the city of LA emptying and charging up into the mountains or

  going into Utah, into the enclaves there. They sit around and speculate about where to create blocks and prevent that

  from happening.

  This is what contrails really represent. The victims routinely feel very fatigued, ill, like one does if they are suffering

  from the flu - they can’t move, can’t run, and thus they have been slowed down. Contail induced illness does not kill

  the victim, it slows them down. The wealthy elite are determining just how effective this is, and finding that it is an

  effective weapon.

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  ZetaTalk: Paper Promise

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  ZetaTalk: Paper Promise

  written Sep 17, 2004

  There are many rumors of a financial meltdown especially in October. The Zetas have predicted this in

  past statements. Do they want to comment about the next 30 days or so as to what economically may

  unfold?

  The banking system or any paper money system is built on confidence, confidence that a note will

  be paid out in something solid, something other than a paper promise, which is what all money

  systems and bank notes are. Centuries past, when the world was operating primarily on the barter

  system, such promises were few and were backed by gold or silver, or land, or a herd of horses or

  cows, something solid. Villages and towns, farmers and those in the trades, all operated primarily

  by barter, a cabinet built by a carpenter and payment in a quarter of a slaughtered hog, a bushel of

  apples getting a tooth pulled by a dentist. Financial sophistication developed slowly, based on the

  growing confidence that the backer of a money system, a paper promise, could be counted upon to deliver something

  solid. Thus it was, until recently, that gold was considered the backing. When the press to use paper money to support

  a debtor economy ran beyond the supply of gold, the money systems were taken off the gold standard. In the past, a

  creditor could put his house and property up as backing for a loan, his herd, perhaps even his pending harvest of

  wheat, but could not get credit unless he had something solid as collateral. But today it is the norm for every person, without substance to his name, to have access to credit cards that allow him to go into debt beyond his ability to repay.

  The creditor is given credit on the assumption that he will repay. The funds he is loaned are assumed to have worth.

  And all pass paper promises around as though these were based on things that could be brought forth upon demand.

  As can be seen when whole countries default on the paper money they float out under their

  flag, the value of a dollar can collapse quickly. Argentina is a case in point, the money

  becoming worthless almost overnight. In days past when banks and paper money were closely

  tied to things, such a panic would result in the banks who had loaned money to farmers

  demanding payment in things, and any who deposited savings in the banks demanding payment in things, so that at

  the end of the shuffle those having made savings deposits would find themselves with a herd of cattle or some acreage,

  rather than paper money. When money became unhinged from solid backing, speculation crept in, resulting in inflated

  stocks, loans without collateral, a pyramid scheme that is a house of cards that would collapse with few l
eft after the

  shuffle with anything solid in their hands. Most would be left holding worthless notes, uncollectable, standing atop a

  deep pile of bankruptcies. During the Great Depression, it was no secret that banks were in default, farmers and

  corporations bankrupt, but this was ignored as demanding payment that could not be produced would only put

  properties and empty buildings in the hands of banks who could not sell them as the market itself was dead. So a

  bankrupt status was ignored, and all floated along until life came back into the system and payments began to be made

  again, extension after extension made. This is what is occurring today, among countries and creditors and banking

  entities, to avoid a breach of confidence that would start a panic in the world at large. Say nothing, make no demands

  for payment in things, give extension after extension, and the house of cards, built on paper promises, stands. This

  assumes cooperation among all parties, and where this is holding today, as it did during the Great Depression, there is

  a difference.

  During the Great Depression, the world was not beset with natural disaster after natural

  disaster, as is starting to occur today. Commerce, trade, was reduced due to lack of confidence

  but at the base, the economies were solid and recovery followed renewed confidence. Today,

  all countries are in a crisis affecting their base economies. We mentioned that Crop Failure

  would follow the irregular weather, and it did. But buildings collapsing in earthquakes, trains

  running off suddenly twisted tracks, factories exploding as gas lines breach, and storms tearing at coastlines without

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  remorse do more than represent an opportunity to rebuild. They represent insurance companies unable to pay for

  rebuilding, factories laying off workers or unable to function, and distribution of goods blocked. In other words,

  paralysis, rather than a fever of economic activity, results. When those at the top of the financial pile, or those whom

  they command, see the structure starting to become a pile of bankruptcies likely to tie up their ability to reach down

  and grab a thing, so they will not be left with worthless paper promises, all want to move first in order to get a thing before the other financial giants beat them to it. They are holding notes, and at the base these notes translate to land,

  buildings, inventories, oil deposits, ships, food stocks, herds, and virtual slavery of those who cannot pay but need to

  eat and have shelter. Indentured servitude, returned. We have mentioned that the pending pole shift has resulted in

  Leveling Wars between the Puppet Masters and their restless Puppets seeking to become opportunists during times

  when their masters might be unable to retain control. These wars will result in the pact of cooperation between creditor

  countries and corporations and those who own them cracking. Fail to cooperate and I’ll call your notes due, and while

  you struggle under a rain of failures I will pluck what I wish from the pool and emerge owning you once again, but

  with you wasted and discredited, is the threat.

  Thus, where banks default because those they have loaned money to are going into bankruptcies, and where at base

  this is due to collapsing economies struggling with the effect of the current Earth changes, natural disasters, there is

  also the element of warfare among the Puppet Masters and their Puppets. To the extent that the rebellious Puppets are

  the political power in a country, that country may find itself fiscally undermined and corruption within that power

  structure exposed. To the extent that the rebellious Puppets are corporate heads, those corporate heads will find

  themselves unable to get the loans they need to continue, and forced into bankruptcy court. To the extent that a Puppet

  Master, and there are many, senses that the enemy is another Puppet Master, the property holdings of that Master will

  be undermined, whether this includes a country, a corporation, or financial holdings such as bonds. Watch closely,

  during this war of the titans in the financial realm, and you will see the swords flash and parry.

  Signs of the Times #1119

  BofA isn't likely to face big losses [Sep 14] Bank of America Corp. is a major lender and a credit

  card partner with US Airways, but does not look to be a big loser in the airline's bankruptcy filing.

  [and from another source] The ongoing economic/financial collapse continues. The world's central

  banks have been in discussion, since Sept. 11, 2001, about this onrushing problem. Internally,

  secretly, many banks are going into bankruptcy, and the people who know about this do not want

  this information to come to the surface into the public. Part of this scandal has to do with one or

  more of the following: the housing market, derivatives and/or an immense default by someone or

  company or country! It is all linked to the banks. http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?

  read=55620 [and from another source] Lots of significant economists agree that there is a major

  major correction coming. Citibank is one most at risk. Soros, Buffet and Gates are investing for a

  crash. [and from another source] Letś see if we can name some of the chief variables to the

  economy. Inflation, recession, real estate bubble burst, derivative market, stock market, bond market

  (the world stops buying bonds), and the list goes on and on. We’re on the knife edge and its only a

  matter of time. [and from another source] Lets see, the various Airlines are laying of 10,000 people.

  ESD is laying off 15,000 nationwide and a lot of Banks are consolidating or over their heads in

  Monopoly Money.

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  ZetaTalk: Economic Collapse

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  ZetaTalk: Economic Collapse

  Note: written Dec 15, 1996.

  The world banks are justified in their constant fretting about the health of their industry during the panic that will

  occur going into the cataclysms. The worth of paper money is a fragile thing, based more on confidence than anything,

  paper money can plunge in value overnight, and often does in unstable countries where printing more paper money is

  seen as the solution to underfunding of government ambitions. History has shown that banks and the value of the

  dollar fall during economic depressions, and the years preceding the coming cataclysms will see crop failures in the

  face of atypical weather and intractable droughts, insurance company failure due to weather and earthquake severity,

  and a general lack of confidence.

  In the face of lack of faith in the paper money system the world banking community has come to rely upon, there will

  be a return to the simple method of barter - you give me a bushel of apples and I’ll give you two gallons of milk.

  People long reliant upon credit and shopping will begin to lower their debt and begin to rely upon themselves, leaving

  the banking industry without customers. This will of course create a panic of sorts within the banking industry, which

  like organized religions are seeing their economic base shrinking. One can expect anxious maneuvers like forced

  participation and alliance with various large corporations, but this is only a stop-gap measure and such maneuvers will

  be challenged. Most people, if speaking truthfully, express only resentment for their bankers, who are seen as a

  parasite on the backs of the working folk.

  Note: below written
during the September 7, 2002 Live ZetaTalk IRC Session.

  We have predicted a collapsing economy, to the degree that it would drop to 1/4 of its strength as it stood at the end of

  1999. It is not there yet, and will continue to fall, each country’s problems impacting the others, each failing company dragging others down. During the Great Depression and Stock Market crash, people in fact did not die because of the

  lack of strength in the economy, but lived more simply. Of course, there were the elite who jumped out window rather

  than face the horror of living a simple life and actually working for a living, but we are not considering these in our

  statement above. We are here talking about the innocents of the world. During the Great Depression, banks failed but

  were not called to account, mortgages late by foreclosure in the main not done, and all rode until times got better, in

  the main. There are stories about failures, foreclosures, families losing homes and farms, but the vast majority simply

  looked the other way and rode it out. Why foreclose when there are no buyers? Why close the doors of the bank,

  revealing a failing, when other banks are in the same stance?

  The barter system emerges, people working for each other on a day by day basis, for food or an exchange of goods.

  We anticipate a real impact where storms and quakes take out cities, insurance companies fail, and the government

  must step in or the homeless population increase. Those countries where the population is allowed to die, starve, get

  diseased and lay by the roadside in this state, will simply continue this practice. Those countries where the government

  is expected to step in and rescue tax payers thrown into this state will muster forth troops, supplies, and mostly

  promises. Thus, families will be thrown on the good graces of their neighbors, the extended family, co-workers, or

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  philanthropic individuals. This is a precursor to the situation that will exist after the shift, so get used to it.

  Note: below written during the October 5, 2002 Live ZetaTalk IRC Session.